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Post by Castiel on Apr 30, 2009 19:22:16 GMT -5
Kerry, I think we may see that day with the very next album. They don't seem to be important to her or to Warner as a way to promote an album anymore. I also think Enya doesn't like spending the time to make them anymore. She's nixed doing 'on location' videos, the Amarantine videos were largely done via special effects, and T&WR didn't require very much of her time. In comparison with the OT and WC videos, which required costume and scenery changes, T&WR is static -- Enya in one outfit in one location. It's a shame, because the T&WR video has over 20,000 views on the Enya channel on Youtube. Lots of people like this video. It's wonderfully different, it's exciting, the two student-commuters are great characters. I love the color and movement of the video, and the touch of Enya in the train car looking out is fantastic. But I do fear it might be the last one. I sadly agree. Hopefully at the very least, she will put out one video per album. TAWR was not a flop by any means. The look, feel and idea was very neat. I think, even through the poor acting, that the point was made...commuters stuck in the hustle and bustle of the rush winter/holiday season. I really hope they don't totally give up on the making of videos, but it seems they are going that way. Noooooo! I always looked forward to seeing new music videos to see how She interprets the music... Well hope she keep releasing the music sheets though
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Post by Moe on Apr 30, 2009 19:34:52 GMT -5
Kerry, I think we may see that day with the very next album. They don't seem to be important to her or to Warner as a way to promote an album anymore. I also think Enya doesn't like spending the time to make them anymore. She's nixed doing 'on location' videos, the Amarantine videos were largely done via special effects, and T&WR didn't require very much of her time. In comparison with the OT and WC videos, which required costume and scenery changes, T&WR is static -- Enya in one outfit in one location. It's a shame, because the T&WR video has over 20,000 views on the Enya channel on Youtube. Lots of people like this video. It's wonderfully different, it's exciting, the two student-commuters are great characters. I love the color and movement of the video, and the touch of Enya in the train car looking out is fantastic. But I do fear it might be the last one. I sadly agree. Hopefully at the very least, she will put out one video per album. TAWR was not a flop by any means. The look, feel and idea was very neat. I think, even through the poor acting, that the point was made...commuters stuck in the hustle and bustle of the rush winter/holiday season. I really hope they don't totally give up on the making of videos, but it seems they are going that way. TC, perhaps your Maine Coons need to have a chat with Eithne?? I can send a chipmunk to nibble on her toes.
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Post by oregonwinebaby on Apr 30, 2009 20:23:15 GMT -5
Careful, she has cats! You know what I would LOVE? A movie like Pink Floyd's "The Wall." A story from beginning to end. Add some extra footage to video's we already know...throw in some in between scenes. It could answer some of the questions the fans have regarding her songs and some of the meanings. I'm all for having a generalized meanings to her songs, but something like this would really be a treat. /dream
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Post by Moe on May 1, 2009 12:32:47 GMT -5
Careful, she has cats! You know what I would LOVE? A movie like Pink Floyd's "The Wall." A story from beginning to end. Add some extra footage to video's we already know...throw in some in between scenes. It could answer some of the questions the fans have regarding her songs and some of the meanings. I'm all for having a generalized meanings to her songs, but something like this would really be a treat. /dream Yes, it would be grand, but quite a dream.
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Post by Treecat on May 2, 2009 10:45:10 GMT -5
I sadly agree. Hopefully at the very least, she will put out one video per album. TAWR was not a flop by any means. The look, feel and idea was very neat. I think, even through the poor acting, that the point was made...commuters stuck in the hustle and bustle of the rush winter/holiday season. I really hope they don't totally give up on the making of videos, but it seems they are going that way. TC, perhaps your Maine Coons need to have a chat with Eithne?? If she's willing to feed them, I'll willing to send them over. <hehe> I like the fact that they used 'commuters'. What is more rut-based than being at the same train station twice a day five days a week, going to the same job, the same college? There they are, and then suddenly something happens and "ideas" open up for them. The expression on the young man's face is great--something's opened up for him. Hey, maybe he'll meet the young woman? While the video might could have been executed better in some places (and what video besides Caribbean Blue is perfect? ) it's Enya Different. The 20,000 views on Youtube say that this video has pulled a lot of people. "Think Enya is still roaming around in Middle Earth petting bunny rabbits? Then look at this!" It's the video she needed. I hope they'll continue to do at least one video per album, but honestly I won't be surprised if this is it. OTOH, maybe the 'this is it' business will push them to re-release the video collection with all the new vids added?
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Post by riene on May 2, 2009 12:09:48 GMT -5
(and what video besides Caribbean Blue is perfect? ) *insert huff here* Anywhere Is is perfect. Hmmph.
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Post by oregonwinebaby on May 2, 2009 14:09:37 GMT -5
The 20,000 views on Youtube say that this video has pulled a lot of people. "Think Enya is still roaming around in Middle Earth petting bunny rabbits? Ohhhh I am so happy I wasn't drinking my coffee when I read this lol! You are 100% right. And I think a lot (lot, not all) of the fans who didn't like this video prefer their idea of a Middle Earth Fairy Princess Bunny petting Enya. I think Enya has progressed a Lot since her earlier days. I still believe she has progressed slow enough though, that it hasn't really shocked the fans. Imagine TAWR coming out right after Watermark, for example. I think the reason I don't like the actors is because when I first heard the song, I felt a strong emotion in Eithne's voice, and with the way she sang the song. I felt like the actors were more mechanical in the video than emotional. They gave the facial expressions they were told to...but it just seemed so manufactured to me. Oh - Moe - our TP commercials always have Bears. You are lucky to at least have cats in yours! Michelle (who also prefers Anywhere Is over CB. Ok they tie.)
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Post by Castiel on May 2, 2009 18:45:24 GMT -5
A middle earth Fairy princess bunny petting Enya would be awesome! hahaha
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Post by Moe on May 2, 2009 19:41:21 GMT -5
I sadly agree. Hopefully at the very least, she will put out one video per album. TAWR was not a flop by any means. The look, feel and idea was very neat. I think, even through the poor acting, that the point was made...commuters stuck in the hustle and bustle of the rush winter/holiday season. I really hope they don't totally give up on the making of videos, but it seems they are going that way. TC, perhaps your Maine Coons need to have a chat with Eithne?? If she's willing to feed them, I'll willing to send them over. <hehe> I like the fact that they used 'commuters'. What is more rut-based than being at the same train station twice a day five days a week, going to the same job, the same college? There they are, and then suddenly something happens and "ideas" open up for them. The expression on the young man's face is great--something's opened up for him. Hey, maybe he'll meet the young woman? While the video might could have been executed better in some places (and what video besides Caribbean Blue is perfect? ) it's Enya Different. The 20,000 views on Youtube say that this video has pulled a lot of people. "Think Enya is still roaming around in Middle Earth petting bunny rabbits? Then look at this!" It's the video she needed. I hope they'll continue to do at least one video per album, but honestly I won't be surprised if this is it. OTOH, maybe the 'this is it' business will push them to re-release the video collection with all the new vids added? Are there bunny rabbits in Middle Earth? I know there a some in my garden, but I live on Upper Earth. The video she needed: yes and no. Yes, it broke the mold, and that needed to be done. It showed a more "real world" Enya in a real world setting. But the video, at least in my humble opinion, seemed too drab; and it would have been nice to have Enya actually interact with the actors. This is being posted by a person who adores the CB (petting bunnies) video - go figure.
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Post by Treecat on May 2, 2009 20:21:12 GMT -5
Okay Riene, AI is perfect. Actually, it probably is, it's a fantastic video. I laugh all the way through it. OWB -- we'll order up a large napkin to wrap around your neck, just in case... ;D Kerry, I would have liked to have seen more interaction from Enya as well. I would have liked for Enya to have been the one going through the train station door and carrying the rollaway bag through the station, to have seen her with the two characters. But we got what we got, and I like most of it. I don't think of it as a drab video, but that's my own tastes of course. I like the monochrome landscape of parts of it, I like the way the film transitions from monochrome to color in the train departure section. But I also wouldn't mind .. a return to Graham Fink to direct the next video, should there be one.
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Post by phantas on May 3, 2009 4:59:45 GMT -5
You know what the probem is with the video for TAWR? It, at some points in the video, lacks continuity. It's all about trains and we see those, but we do not see a train moving through a landscape, or through a city apart from the scenes at the station. Moreso, I would have loved it more if Enya were actually in the train doing the singing (instead of in the box). Anyway, all aside it is a good video, just not perfect. As much of a fan of CB, I feel the video is a bit outdated. The idea is still neat though . On AI - I like the video more than I do the song I think. But of the newer videos I love Wild Child, Only Time and It's In The Rain - they are soo good in their own way, and I love the nature elements in them. With IITR I didn't even care about Enya hugging herself - it was a magical environment in a digital setting, and I feel it worked really well. (OTOH, Amarantine was too much CGI, IMHO) Somehow I think we will still see Enya making at least one video per album - if only to promote it enough and to have some material to advertise/broadcast. Love, Phantas
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Post by Moe on May 3, 2009 8:51:44 GMT -5
You know what the probem is with the video for TAWR? It, at some points in the video, lacks continuity. It's all about trains and we see those, but we do not see a train moving through a landscape, or through a city apart from the scenes at the station. Moreso, I would have loved it more if Enya were actually in the train doing the singing (instead of in the box). Anyway, all aside it is a good video, just not perfect. As much of a fan of CB, I feel the video is a bit outdated. The idea is still neat though . On AI - I like the video more than I do the song I think. But of the newer videos I love Wild Child, Only Time and It's In The Rain - they are soo good in their own way, and I love the nature elements in them. With IITR I didn't even care about Enya hugging herself - it was a magical environment in a digital setting, and I feel it worked really well. (OTOH, Amarantine was too much CGI, IMHO) Somehow I think we will still see Enya making at least one video per album - if only to promote it enough and to have some material to advertise/broadcast. Love, Phantas I was relieved when the T&WR video was released and there was no sign of that over-use of CGI. That spoiled the Am video for me; as you say, it was overdone. In this respect, then, T&WR was much better, no doubt - but it still seems missing something to me. You may well be right about the lack of continuity creating a problem here.
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Post by phantas on May 3, 2009 11:43:23 GMT -5
When I wrote my post I was thinking of the one video we can compare TAWR with - On My Way Home. It has trains as well - and, apart from a few scenes here and there, has continuity by keeping one constant image : Enya on the train, watching from the window.
I think that is what makes most of Enya's videos good (the ones that are) - the continuity of a returning image, as long as that image is of a certain quality and has a connection to the song.
In TAWR the image of Enya in the box bears no connection to the song, hence it is not adding to the continuity of the video. The many scenes of the commuters is recurring, but changing constantly as well. Unfortunately, there is no movement in these shots - they are just there on a station but not going anywhere, which seems to contradict the exact lyrics.
As far as I can remember, most of Enya's videos (CB, Anywhere Is, Only Time and some more which were outstanding) had imagery that connected to the song's lyrics and were such images that actually continued throughout the video. IITR has the same effect, but works a bit different. In that video, It is Enya who is the image that keeps on returning, but also the surroundings stay virtually the same, with only little things changing and moving to tell the tale.
Does anyone else have any further thoughts on this perhaps? I am always very bad at explaining myself! LOL ;D
Love, Phantas
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Post by oregonwinebaby on May 3, 2009 14:59:36 GMT -5
When I wrote my post I was thinking of the one video we can compare TAWR with - On My Way Home. It has trains as well - and, apart from a few scenes here and there, has continuity by keeping one constant image : Enya on the train, watching from the window. I think that is what makes most of Enya's videos good (the ones that are) - the continuity of a returning image, as long as that image is of a certain quality and has a connection to the song. I think I know what you are trying to say. Her video's usually have a continual flow...a story/theme with a beginning and and end which is connecting with the actual song. Is this correct? In TAWR the image of Enya in the box bears no connection to the song, hence it is not adding to the continuity of the video. The many scenes of the commuters is recurring, but changing constantly as well. Unfortunately, there is no movement in these shots - they are just there on a station but not going anywhere, which seems to contradict the exact lyrics. I have to disagree. I think Enya being in the "box" is something different. For me, instead of Eithne being the star of the video, she is instead narrating a story for us. A lot of people had said they would have liked to see her interacting with the actors (me included) - but if she did, the narrating idea wouldn't have worked as well. I Did like the scenes of her on the train. For me, that added just a little more involvement of Eithne in the story. Going back to "the box" - if you notice, all around her on the screens are little video clips from different points of views. One screen is showing rows of car's tail lights whizzing by, another has trains going by and so on. She's singing about all of that, while standing there going nowhere, like the people in the video who are waiting in the stataion. As far as I can remember, most of Enya's videos (CB, Anywhere Is, Only Time and some more which were outstanding) had imagery that connected to the song's lyrics and were such images that actually continued throughout the video. IITR has the same effect, but works a bit different. In that video, It is Enya who is the image that keeps on returning, but also the surroundings stay virtually the same, with only little things changing and moving to tell the tale. CB and AI, as well as some other videos are to me, sometimes image overload. I'm not complaining...I LOVE those video's. But sometimes, less is more. Remember what TAWR is about. I'm sure we each take something a bit different away from the song. For me it is quite simply, going nowhere fast during the crazy busy holiday rush season. It's about being "stuck" in between where you came from and where you are going. I think the video reflects that feeling quite well. You have the shots of the city, everyone driving around quickly...then the kids at the train station stuck going nowhere fast. If you really look - there is more to that video than you might realize. I do think in one way Eithne could have been more involved in the video. It just occurred to me how. My apologies if someone has already said this. They could have filmed her walking among the kids at the station in such a way that showed the viewers she's the narrator and "not really there." Know what I mean? Like...when she's in the shot, have her image in color and fade the color out 90% or so on the rest of the screen. When she's not in the shot, go back to full color. Heh, you could even have a few shots of her interacting but not interacting. Say you are at the scene where the focus is on one of the actors trying to portray a certain emotion. She could be standing near them, looking at them as if to feel sympathy for them. I liked the ending to the video. You have all of these different people, in different places noticing the "star alone" up in the sky...even the person who is "across the plains" lol. For me, since the video is about winter/holiday traveling to see family, having all the actors look up to the star above was a way to show the viewer that the actors, at that point, remembered Why they were out there in the freezing cold at the train station in the first place. It also connected everyone in the video for me. Odds & Ends: I liked the very Enyaesque colored "snow" in the video. I also liked that some of the video was in color, and some not. Let's see...while I'm rambling on I might as well get everything in...my interpretation of Eithne in the train was that she was looking out of the window wondering about all the different people - where they were going, who they were going to see. Ok lastly...and I know you all are probably sick of hearing it...but I feel in my heart of hearts that if the actors were better at conveying the emotions they were supposed to, some of us might feel more connected to the video. Maybe it's the directors fault...but emotion tells a big part of the story. Without it being conveyed correctly, part of the story gets lost. Sorry for the long post!
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Post by Moe on May 3, 2009 17:44:12 GMT -5
I have to disagree. I think Enya being in the "box" is something different. For me, instead of Eithne being the star of the video, she is instead narrating a story for us. A lot of people had said they would have liked to see her interacting with the actors (me included) - but if she did, the narrating idea wouldn't have worked as well. I Did like the scenes of her on the train. For me, that added just a little more involvement of Eithne in the story. Yes, she serves as a good narrator, but was that the best possible role for her to play? That's a matter of opinion, of course. True, and the minimalist approach to this video was important to "breaking the mold" of the past videos. This is "Enya in the Real World" rather than "Enya looking for Frodo". I do know what you mean here and I like the idea. She could be both a narrator and a participant at the same time. Nice concept. Emotion is, for me, exactly what is found wanting in this video. It is skillfully made from a technical point of view, it has new and welcome elements, the song is a very good one for a video, BUT, without an emotional impact, I feel like I'm watching eye candy. A good video has to move me in some way, and this one didn't.
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