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Jul 8, 2008 9:01:23 GMT -5
Post by Moe on Jul 8, 2008 9:01:23 GMT -5
*grins* Could always be Aigle saying goodbye to Warner, too. Are these songs autobiographical for Roma, or written about events in Enya's life or just plain contrived? All of the above is my response. As a writer I can attest that events in my life often come out in my poems, but, at the same time, there are poems that bear little relation to my life. They just arise more out of creative fancy. Like my Nordic Collection, eg. I sometimes worry that my friends will take a "dark poem" as reflecting where I am at this moment, when in fact it may have arisen out of events long past or even from events unrelated to myself.
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Jul 8, 2008 9:11:43 GMT -5
Post by skyscape on Jul 8, 2008 9:11:43 GMT -5
Yes I think much of what Roma writes is hobby-writing rather than based on real events.
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Jul 8, 2008 9:12:38 GMT -5
Post by Treecat on Jul 8, 2008 9:12:38 GMT -5
The themes are universal, and don't necessarily have to reflect actual events that happened to any one of the Trio. The lyrics can, as Kerry said, be drawn from things that happened long ago and don't reflect any current state of affairs for them.
Riene's post has given me something to think about. I'd never considered SSG as being told from the POV of someone counseling a friend who's just broken off a relationship. The lyrics make a lot of sense when looked at in that way.
Give me a reason why you never want to say goodbye
Maybe it's the friend saying, "The guy is a jerk. You're better off without him. Dump the creep!" Hmm, yes, if I use Riene's take on the song, I see this is as a chick song--one woman telling her friend why it's time to say goodbye.
OTOH, a part of me still likes the sassy, "up your's and get outta here!" POV of a woman breaking off a bad relationship.
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Jul 8, 2008 11:15:03 GMT -5
Post by skyscape on Jul 8, 2008 11:15:03 GMT -5
And maybe AML is the narrator regretting being so hurtful?
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Jul 10, 2008 8:14:50 GMT -5
Post by Treecat on Jul 10, 2008 8:14:50 GMT -5
And maybe AML is the narrator regretting being so hurtful? It follows SSG, doesn't it? Amarantine is full of songs I would never have expected to hear Enya sing, and AML is one of them. One of the most painful, and truthful, songs I've ever heard.
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Jul 10, 2008 11:47:37 GMT -5
Post by Moe on Jul 10, 2008 11:47:37 GMT -5
And maybe AML is the narrator regretting being so hurtful? It follows SSG, doesn't it? Amarantine is full of songs I would never have expected to hear Enya sing, and AML is one of them. One of the most painful, and truthful, songs I've ever heard. I too find AML to be both painful and true to life - It's only now, when words are said that break my heart in two, I wonder how you can endure all I've said, all I say to you. How strong, how brave, how true of you to bear the hurt I gave. I know it tears your heart in two; all I've said, all I say to you. After all the words are said, after all the dreams we made; ev'ry one a precious one, ev'ry one a summer sun... A moment lost, forever gone, can never be again, so know how much it means to me; all you said, all you gave, all your love to me. I think everyone must at some time have said things they regretted, and which caused pain to someone they love. But you cannot erase those words, no matter how much time goes by. AML has become one of the my fav Enya songs since its release.
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Jul 11, 2008 7:38:03 GMT -5
Post by skyscape on Jul 11, 2008 7:38:03 GMT -5
I agree, the lyric is oddly raw for Enya and is sung with conviction.
Maybe it's the lyrics which are becoming more contemporary not the music.
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Jul 11, 2008 7:47:11 GMT -5
Post by Moe on Jul 11, 2008 7:47:11 GMT -5
I agree, the lyric is oddly raw for Enya and is sung with conviction. Maybe it's the lyrics which are becoming more contemporary not the music. I see the lyrics as less complex now than in the past (compare Anywhere Is with Amarantine, eg), but I also think the melodies are becoming more "pop-ish" (think of SSG, with a refrain that could have been a Lennon-McCartney creation). Perhaps the relationship between Enya and Roma is so close (after all these years together, as a team) that both can "evolve" at the same time?
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Jul 11, 2008 9:40:18 GMT -5
Post by riene on Jul 11, 2008 9:40:18 GMT -5
Perhaps the relationship between Enya and Roma is so close (after all these years together, as a team) that both can "evolve" at the same time? I can easily imagine them in the studio together. Roma has a new idea, phrases and words, a poem. She reads it out loud, they try the tone/tempo of the words. What would it sound like to music? We need an extra beat here to fit, a stretch there, how can we work it?
Or the reverse: Enya is meandering at the keyboard, fingers wandering, trying a chord here, a transition there, a musical phrase that came to mind the night before. Roma leans in the doorway, listening, wonders what she can hear in the notes. Is it upbeat? Melancholy? What words, if any, would fit to this?
After all these years, I'd bet those two could finish each other's sentences.
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Jul 11, 2008 10:14:19 GMT -5
Post by skyscape on Jul 11, 2008 10:14:19 GMT -5
Enya has spoke of how she brings a melody to Roma.
She sings the melody without words and Roma finds lyrics for the melody that is presented.
I wonder if the raw Enya song is put on a CD and if Roma listens to it and finds the words i.e we know that As Baile came first and Roma applied the lyrical content afterwards.
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Jul 11, 2008 12:02:06 GMT -5
Post by Treecat on Jul 11, 2008 12:02:06 GMT -5
I can't imagine working with the same people for nearly 30 years. What an awful lot of history is embedded in the walls of that studio! Riene, you're probably right--they probably can finish each other's sentences.
Another thought on lyrics: Could Roma write a poem and then Enya create the melody to fit it? I've wondered about this in terms of Na Laetha Geal M'Óige--the melody is so random.
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Jul 12, 2008 12:16:19 GMT -5
Post by skyscape on Jul 12, 2008 12:16:19 GMT -5
I can't imagine working with the same people for nearly 30 years. What an awful lot of history is embedded in the walls of that studio! Riene, you're probably right--they probably can finish each other's sentences. Another thought on lyrics: Could Roma write a poem and then Enya create the melody to fit it? I've wondered about this in terms of Na Laetha Geal M'Óige--the melody is so random. The 'randomness' of the melody is actually a style used in traditional 'sean-nós' Irish music where the lament rambles rather than follows a traditional Western melodic structure. But, then again TC, now that you mention the poem-first hypothesis, isn't there an English lyric for Na Laetha Geal m'Óige in the Box of Dreams booklet?
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Jul 18, 2008 12:40:56 GMT -5
Post by Moe on Jul 18, 2008 12:40:56 GMT -5
Sky, do you refer to a lyric other than the "translation" in the Official discography:
Looking back at my youth I was content Without dead knowledge I was young, without time
Now I'm sorrowful Those days are long past Sadness and loss
The great days of my youth They were full of expectation The great journey that was before me then Happiness was in store for me
I still don't have the BoD, so I may be asking a silly question here.....
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